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Adrian Kalbarczyk

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Popularising YUI

Post Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:08 pm
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Hi!

I googled about YUI in Polish language (40M citizens country), and found literally three articles on YUI3. There is more on YUI2, but still not nearly as much as about other JS libraries. Since I'm big fan of library, I want to change this situation. I think YUI3 is superior to any other library in nearly every field and hate that it's not popular here.

To make a change I need you to give me the best practices of popularizing YUI. If you have any experience in your country/state/company/whatever please write it down here. What was efficient way to convince someone to use YUI instead of other libraries or server-side code, why your company choose YUI, do you earn money and how efficient your work is? Anything would be appreciated.

From my research it is obvious that it will never work without texts in Polish here. On my site I have articles in Polish and English and my little spy software show that people from Poland are reading ONLY texts in Polish! They aren't even click on English articles! I don't know why, because I thought we know English. Maybe they are very sure that they can't understand technical texts? Neverthless, it is obvious that YUI needs to be known around the world, and I need the way to tell about this obviousness to others.

Maybe it's good idea to launch new internal project which aims to popularise YUI? Just like the Kubuntu's project timelord http://www.kubuntu.org/news/timelord. I think, it'll be great to have per-country guy responsible for marketing. The profits for him should obvious: this guy is the best coder around so we hire him to do our software. People should kill to be on this position, even if they'll work volounary (but of course they'll have their responsibilites which they MUST do):). Tell me what you think about this idea.

Regards,
Adrian Kalbarczyk

A little background on Poland:

We have good programmers who are educated in many fields of technology (I heard it's oposite to US, where students are prepared to be best in one field, and other fields are sacrificed, but I don't know it!) so they know what is UML, ASM and how to administrate Unix. Our best computer science faculty from most recogisable college - Uniwersity of Warsaw - are wining TopCoder and other competitions for years.

I think these people could introduce some good ideas and code to YUI, if only they knew of its existence!

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Re: Popularising YUI

Post Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:17 am
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Hi,

Same situation in France. There is not a lot of results with Google france for yui3.

I wrote some tutorials in French (http://www.kitpages.fr/yui3-overview.php and links on the right) to help people to begin.

I believe it would be great to create a kind of "french yui community" with an active forum but I have no time to do it... perhaps you can try to do it in Polish.

Best regard,
Philippe

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Re: Popularising YUI

Post Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:20 am
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I have no objection to working with anyone to create localized forums here.

If you want to help me with that, feel free to email me ;)

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Re: Popularising YUI

Post Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:20 am
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I don't think forum localization is good idea because:
1. One can't make any software if he can't understand English.
2. You can't possibly make good SEO in our countries so that this forum will be in localized search results (I'm not expert here but I've read several documents on that).
3. It is much work for you:)
4. Maybe most important factor here is that there will be no YUI gurus from Yahoo, who can answer questions in foreign languages, so it's better to force users to use English (even as poor as mine;) ).

I think, IF people knew about YUI, they had no problem to find this site and talk in English. Other libraries have their forums only in English and it works.

It is better to do fully localized sites, put there a forum and tell people that if they need answers on complex matters, they need to ask on yuilibrary.com. These pages could be here. E.g. pl.yuilibrary.com, where ALL content is translated (just like on http://amarok.kde.org/ and other KDE related projects).

Nevertheless, I personally would go with my own site, well "SEO'ed" in Poland, with my own texts rather than translations. It would be my creation so I would put more effort in it.

Adrian

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Re: Popularising YUI

Post Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:16 am
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Adrian,

I agree that the best way for YUI to take root in Poland is for someone bilingual who understands the needs of the Polish developer community takes up the challenge to localize some key resources.

There's a lot of content in the YUI 3 distribution that could serve as a good starting place -- some of the main content pages for Node and Event (http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/3), key examples, etc. The fact that there aren't a lot of resources in Polish for YUI is a good opportunity to build traffic and form a community around your content.

You might also consider taking some of the content from YUICONF 2009 (http://yuilibrary.com/yuiconf2009/) and delivering it in Polish, either at conferences or to record some developer videos.

Anything you do, please tell us about -- we just tweeted Philippe's site and we'd be happy to help promote yours as well.

-Eric

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Re: Popularising YUI

Post Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:24 am
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I agree with Adrian.

There needs to be hundreds if not thousands of users in a particular language to make a forum take off. A forum is not a way of popularizing a technology, it is what happens naturally when the technology is popular enough.

In a PHP list in Spanish there was some conversation about updating the manuals which were awfully outdated (and taken off-line). Does anyone think PHP is not popular enough amongst Spanish-speakers? In fact, check the list of languages no longer active:

http://www.php.net/manual/help-translate.php

There is not enough people to support them

So, going for the English forum with your best shot at English is always better than trying create a localized forum. You would always be at least one-level away from the real experts.

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Re: Popularising YUI

Post Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:12 am
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After the end of my current project, I will try to launch a website about YUI with pages:

1. Why using YUI,
2. How to start using YUI,
3. YUI Theater videos with subtitles - are there plans to include subtitle feature in Yahoo! videos? And if not, will you upload to your servers subtitled versions of these videos?
4. How to contribute,
5. Tutorials,
6. Links to info in English.

Thats for beginning.

The most difficult part of this project for me will be design, because I'm programmer and I know nothing about aesthetics:). So I need someone to do it, anyone interested?:)

Can you point me what are most important things concerning point 1? I use YUI from the beginning and I only know that when I try to use other libraries I always think "in YUI I could write it 10 times faster!":).

Adrian

PS. If Y! videos could handle external subtitles, it would be much easier to maintain translations. It could even contain real-time editor for subtitles so people could author translations while watching. It is absolutely best way to handle this issue! And a good way to beat YouTube at the same time;).

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Re: Popularising YUI

Post Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:13 am
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Adrian,

1. Why YUI?

Well, my answer for YUI 3 is here: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/ ... f2009-yui3 . We also have an FAQ that tackles this and might make for a simpler translation: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/faq/#why

3. Subtitles

Everything you say is correct with respect to the usefulness of subtitles for localization (not to mention SEO and accessibility), but I'm not aware of a solution that meets all of your requirements today. We want to do long-format, high-res video, accessible worldwide, viewable on handheld devices, etc. -- and we need to do it on a budget (YUI is an open-source project after all). I don't know of any platform that meets all of those requirements better than what we currently are doing. (I'm also open to suggestions -- but note that YouTube, as good as it is, doesn't allow general uploads of videos > 10 minutes in length.)

So, that leaves us with transcripts. I realize that the link above doesn't have a transcript (I'll push the transcript out later today), but most recent videos on YUI Theater (http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/) are now transcripted. And we provide slides whenever we can for download; those can also be used for localization or for redelivering the talk in a language other than English.

-Eric

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Re: Popularising YUI

Post Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:26 am
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Check out the subtitles here:

http://www.ted.com/talks/pranav_mistry_ ... ology.html

It's awesome and you can have one video file rather than bunch of them because of hard-coded subtitles.

Adrian

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Re: Popularising YUI

Post Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:50 am
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I disagree with what you're saying Adrian.
I think that if you want to do a little bit of code but you're not a great developper you don't neceserally speak english well.

I agree with the fact that a forum for start is not a good idea but a localization of the documentation would be a great help for people with poor english.

If you want to learn something and you don't even understand the documentation because it's in a foreign language, it's quite bad. the learner would want to give up rapidly and you would have lost someone who could have potentially made some pretty things with your lib/code.

If you need people to translate the different examples and presentation pages, I would be glad to do that in french (considering it would take time). I can do some subtitles of conferences if people want it too.

I think the best way to achieve that is having a set of sites (one per language) with link to the default english version if it's not translated yet or won't be. Another way would be to make a webring of different websites and blog speaking about yui in different languages and why not a aggregator with their rss.
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